shadi11

[shadi11]

Typically Black beard, head bobbing and nipping would make me say male.
A female dont necessarily black beard..  It gets a greyish beard. a male can get pitch black...  This is also what made me question Cit..
Also the femoral pores are a big sign.. on the underside of the back legs.. They became more defined when this behavior started..
as for telling what morph the other may be.. I can not.. That is hard to tell by a pic. you see how much the 2 I have from the same line look different.

[Dragona]

well this is just it! CONFUSION! I know it's possible that either sex can arm wave but the male usually grows out of it with age and does it as a juvenile as a form of hello - i'm here..... or i give in to you (submission) but the one in the top 3 photographs never arm waves at the other if they are introduced and they do not fight either - i'm very confident that smokey, my bottom 2 pics is a female - she is smaller, more submissive, and judging by the underside of tail has the female traits all over - but the other (top 3 photo's) Puff i thought was female too as her femoral pores show a female - but they are not fully grown yet so harder to tell - add to this the black beard, head bobbing and on one occasion jumping on top of the other grabing her neck whilst very hyperactive - this does not give me a great idea - (i must point out that females DO head bob on the odd occasion - usually for balance and judgment - but not to show off like a male!) I can either take her to my local specialist who has alot more experience than me or wait till shes a bit older and try sexing again.  These dragons were living together for a while but now have their own vivs - which i'll try and get a photo of soon to post! thanks.

[shadi11]

Females can head bob. I have seen it. one of my females will if she sees my male doing it. hers is one bob then shes done. my males go nuts. looks like they are going to break their heads off.. 
does the one in the top 3 picks look like it has 2 bulges on the tail side of the vent??

[Dragona]

No.  Very flat similar to other female.  But this is the one who does all the male acting!
I know what to look for but they are both the same.

If she is a she then she must be a wanna be - cos her head bobbing goes on a mental one when she's in the mood.  When living together she would ALWAYS keep an eye on the other one no matter what - she would bask higher - feed first - be dominant in most ways over the other and sleep in the best spots....

But i seperated them because of this and now they both seem happier.  I think they are kinnda small for their age - i'll try and get some length and weight figures now...

[Dragona]

OK - Heres Puff


He Weighs in at 348g (13oz) @ 18 months

And Heres Smokey



She weighs in at a smaller 250g (9oz) @17.5 months

Anyone can compare if they like and let me know - cheers.
Also here's their home - Puff lives on bottom - Smokey on Top.
(don't moan about the sand please - i know all the stories! this is childrens sifted and neutralised play sand) thanks.