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[Timotei]

Didn't mean to offend, i hope you don't mind me asking, but if it's not for the outcome of an attractive looking beardie, why do you breed to colour ?

As for substrates, i know of people who hav used lay boxes, and the sudden change in environment has stressed the female enough to re-absorb her eggs. And like I said, I try to keep things natural, just the way we do things here in Australia.

[Autoshoty]

Very nice tank with nothing in it and a Superb Tank With your beardie and decore.

[Admin]

Very nice cage!

[LizardLady]

It is just something that is done.  I get an attractive beardie with or without color.  I love the different colors and try to duplicate them as best I can with also trying to add a bit of size.  Most of my breeders are 18" plus so I try to stay with that as a minimum for size.  I am trying to produce healthy, large and colorful dragons.  We do it because they are beautiful.

[Knowzilla]

Here's a pic of my stacks of cages I use for my dragons.
Each enclosure is 4'longx2'widex2'Tall, made of white malimine with sliding glass doors and all electrical wired into one plug.

[Timotei]

It is just something that is done.  I get an attractive beardie with or without color.  I love the different colors and try to duplicate them as best I can with also trying to add a bit of size.  Most of my breeders are 18" plus so I try to stay with that as a minimum for size.  I am trying to produce healthy, large and colorful dragons.  We do it because they are beautiful.

Yes, ok, but do you see my point ? My point is that the dragons don't gain from being "beautiful" it's purely an entertainment thing for the keeper, they enjoy looking at attractive dragons.

[Knowzilla]

It is just something that is done.  I get an attractive beardie with or without color.  I love the different colors and try to duplicate them as best I can with also trying to add a bit of size.  Most of my breeders are 18" plus so I try to stay with that as a minimum for size.  I am trying to produce healthy, large and colorful dragons.  We do it because they are beautiful.

Yes, ok, but do you see my point ? My point is that the dragons don't gain from being "beautiful" it's purely an entertainment thing for the keeper, they enjoy looking at attractive dragons.

The only thing you forget is where you are you have wild dragons that you can add for genetic variety, here in northamerican bearded dragons have a very small gene pool and most of the dragons here where breed from only a few individuals. If Australia would allow export of animals to other countries again (which they stopped doing in 1960 except for zoos) then breeding for colour wouldent be such a big deal. I personally like coloured dragons and like lizardlady I keep my genepool as veried as possible. My animals don't lose anything by being colourful and are happy and healthy, "PETS".

[Timotei]

Hence why i disagree with the keeping of exotics - they don't occur where they do for a reason. This is why I question the motives of foreign keepers of beardies, as over here it's a question of learning more about our native fauna.

I honestly still fail to see how your motivation is not purely for the pleasure of seeing attractive pets! Yes ok you apparently keep your genepool varied (which isnt necessarily good, as your gene pool should at least be locality specific, so as to avoid the creation of mongrel sub-species), but that doesn't change the fact that you're still breeding to colour because you like it, not because it has any gain for the animal!

[Irwins_mom]

Wow I just bought my beardie for a pet. I have enjoyed learning about beardies.

[Timotei]

Wow I just bought my beardie for a pet. I have enjoyed learning about beardies.

Well right there is the vital difference. Herps are different to other pets, and you cannot just buy them on a whim, i would've thought some more thought would hav gone into their purchase. I'm not meaning to drill this in or keep prodding at you, but i think you're missing my point here. My original point was that i disagree with breeding to colour because it is merely a way to entertain the owner (ie. they enjoy looking at attractive beardies). There is no gain for the animal.